Delusional, or Lying

  • The DOJ deletes a study showing that most domestic violence is from the right;
  • Trump et al knew this, but still pursue vengeance against the left;
  • The attorney general thinks hate speech is not covered by free speech;
  • The vice president endorses Charlie Kirk’s views;
  • How the idea of transgender people (and gays) shatters conservatives’ simplex thinking;
  • How conservatives use the word “evil”;
  • And a few JMG items.
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Once again, as in most of my posts, these items aren’t about politics, per se. They’re about the limits and limitations of human nature, from which we may never escape. And the future of humanity is what science fiction is about.

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First, this afternoon:

404 Media, 16 Sept 2025: DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

Subtitled “Following Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the Trump administration’s promise to go after the ‘radical left’ a study showing most domestic terrorism is far-right was disappeared.”

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Splits, Hypocrisy, and Bad-Faith Arguments

  • Firing people who quoted Charlie Kirk;
  • Items from JM about an arrest for “mocking” Charlie Kirk, how Kirk’s killer was “brainwashed” by college; how MTG wants to break up he US; how smart people don’t like Trump; Trump claims 300 million people died from drugs last year; and how all critics of Charlie Kirk should be fired;
  • Quoting David Gerrold about Kirk and his killer; Peter Coyote on Kirk’s record;
  • And how Kirk’s “prove me wrong” challenges were mostly stunts.
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The themes today are about the continued demonization of “the Left” despite the identification of the Charlie Kirk shooter; and how the Right (as did Kirk) claims to valorize “free speech” while quelling anyone who says anything not nice about Charlie Kirk.

Boing Boing, Rob Beschizza, 1 Sep 2025: Washington Post fires black woman who quoted what Charlie Kirk said about black women

Conservatives and Republicans are virtually unanimous in calling for censorship, firings and even imprisonment for those criticizing or quoting Charlie Kirk after his death. As many of them cast themselves as “free speech” absolutists, the temptation is to accuse them of hypocrisy. But that would honor the false notion that they are failing to live up to standards they hold in good faith. The Kirk aftermath shows that they never believed any of it: speech is to them a prerogative. They have the freedom of it; others will hold their tongues.

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Jerry A. Coyne: FAITH VS. FACT, post 5 and last

Subtitled “Why Science and Religion are Incompatible”
(Viking, May 2015, xxii + 311pp, including 46pp of acknowledgements, notes, references,and index)

(Earlier: post 1; post 2; post 3; post 4)


Comments first this time:

The final chapter of this book asks, why does it matter? Whether science and religion are incompatible — or whether people reject fact in favor of faith?

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So Many Villains

  • More to the transgender-roommate story?
  • Media Matters summarizes the situation up to a couple days ago;
  • Despite the right’s affirmation of free speech, they are compiling lists of people critical of Charlie Kirk, and getting them fired;
  • How SF/F writer Catherynne M. Valente turned up on such a list retweeted by Elon Musk.
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Well so there *is* something to the Charlie Kirk-killer transgender-roommate story! Still not a lot of detail. One could well say, so what? The right will be happy they found someone to blame that justifies their existing animosity. But why would this, or any other incident, implicate transgender people in general, any more than it would implicate young white males in general? That’s not how conservative psychology, which is prone to prejudice against entire groups, works, of course. And it’s not that surprising that something turned up in the suspect’s situation that conservatives could pin blame on, since there are so many things conservatives don’t like. (Including, for some, Mormons.)

NY Times, 14 Sept 2025: Kirk Shooting Suspect Held ‘Leftist Ideology,’ Utah Governor Says

Subtitle: “Gov. Spencer Cox said the suspect had been ‘radicalized,’ and noted he had a romantic partner who is transitioning from male to female who is cooperating fully with investigators.”

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How the Right Is Crazy Desperate to Connect Charlie Kirk’s Killer to Things They Don’t Like

It’s been quite a display of shameless motivated thinking the past two days. Many people see what they want to see, but conservatives are especially prone to this. (That’s why they’re so easily fooled by Trump, about everything.) A better set of examples could hardly be found, all in within a couple days.

Items from the aggregate site JMG.

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Jerry A. Coyne: FAITH VS. FACT, post 4

Subtitled “Why Science and Religion are Incompatible”
(Viking, May 2015, xxii + 311pp, including 46pp of acknowledgements, notes, references,and index)

(Earlier: post 1; post 2; post 3)


Summary: Chapter 4: Faith Strikes Back

Faith sometimes claims that it can deduce God via puzzles or problems science hasn’t been able to answer, the so-called “God of the gaps” argument. William Paley’s arguments about the design of the eye, for instance, and by extension “intelligent design.” But these *have* been explained by science, and the arguments for God undermined. (Nor would an such argument necessarily impugn any particular god, like the one you believe in.) Coyne reviews some of the famous arguments for God. From fine tuning: the “anthropic principle,” which has other explanations than a fine-tuning deity. (And anyway most of the cosmos, even most of the Earth, is uninhabitable; why *isn’t* the entire the entire universe a flat earth under a big dome? If that would have suited God’s purpose?) From morality: these arguments have been completely superseded by modern understanding of evolutionary psychology, referencing Wilson, Haidt, Pinker, Singer, derived from evolutionary principles and studies of human infants. And from the idea of “true beliefs,” from Alvin Plantinga, despite the fact that humans can and do believe many false things.

Other times faith argues that science is only one “way of knowing” and that religion is another. Science’s claims are accused of being “scientism,” and that religion and the humanities exist along side it. But to the extent these other areas yield knowledge, they work the same way science does, by doubt, reason, and empirical testing: “science broadly construed.” The same methods used by plumbers and electricians. Subjective experiences like art and music are more about imagination, not true knowledge; works of art yield different ‘truths’ just as different faiths do; they are culture-bound.

Faith usually just attacks science. It accuses science of thinking that it’s the only ‘way of knowing’; of thinking the humanities should be subsumed by science; that questions that can’t be answered by science aren’t worth considering; that scientists are arrogant and reluctant to admit when they are wrong. To which author responds: yes the first is true; on the second some agree (Wilson), others do not; no one says the third; and on the fourth, lots of people are arrogant. (Especially the faithful who are absolutely certain they know the cosmic truth.)

Then there are five common criticisms.

1) Science can’t prove that God doesn’t exist. Well, you can’t *prove* that leprechauns don’t exist in your garden, either. Yet you can consider weight of evidence and conclude that such claimed are extremely unlikely. If the claims about god are true, we should see some evidence. We don’t.

2) Science is based on faith. No; science works and is based on confidence base on past results.

3) Religion gave rise to science. Evidence is sketchy, but so what? Religion also has suppressed science.

4) Science does bad things. As bad as religion? There are always bad people ready to use whatever is at hand to do bad things. Recall the famous Steven Weinberg quote.

5) Science is fallible and its results are unreliable. But the point is that science is self-correcting. The occasional fraud is uncovered by other scientists. And the basic conclusions of science — such as continental drift, evolution, the speed of light — are unlikely ever to be overturned. While religion has *never* been right in its claims about the universe.


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Raw Notes: Ch4, Faith Strikes Back

Believers sometimes argue that religion is ‘another way of knowing’, but a more common tactic is to denigrate science.

                The New Natural Theology

Robert Ingersoll, p152 (paraphrasing): “no one infers god from what is known and understood; our ignorance is god; what we know is science.”

Natural theology is the idea of perceiving god by observing nature directly, e.g. by identifying puzzles or problems science hasn’t solved and claiming that God is the answer. This is the “God of the gaps” argument. Common in 17th-19th centuries, part of the scientific toolkit of the time.

William Paley, 1802, famous arguments about the design of the eye. Recently returned as ‘intelligent design’. Criticisms of these arguments go way back, and even Francis Collins rejects them, while citing them for the universe’s fine tuning and peoples’ innate moral feelings.

List of other topics: p156m

Is this to suggest these questions can *never* have naturalistic answers? Can scientists stop working on them? History suggests otherwise.

Second, does the god hypothesis predict anything new, the way science would? If not, it’s special pleading.

Third, would these explanations have anything to do with *your* god? [[ a good point I’ve cited myself ]] Why not someone else’s god?  [[ No, they’re not all the ‘same’ god. See Prothero ]]

We’ve already dismissed the supposed inevitability of human evolution. As for beginnings of life, we’ve learned a lot, and should be done in 50 years. Consciousness is difficult….

The ‘laws’ of physics are merely *observed regularities*, not laws handed down by some lawgiver. We simply wouldn’t exist without those regularities. And such regularities explain the usefulness of mathematics. P159.4 Progress on unifying theories.

The argument for God from “fine-tuning”

The ‘anthropic principle’. 69% of Americans support the argument that God must have adjusted the physical constants of the universe to permit the existence of humans. [[ occurs to me later that this presumption is only a magnitude or so away from presuming God adjusted the physical constants of the universe to permit the existence of *you*, personally. Why not? You’re very special, right? ]] Actually, only some constants of physics need to be within a narrow range: masses of particles, magnitudes of forces, etc.  If they were different, we wouldn’t be here to measure them. The ‘strong anthropic principle’ claims that the values of these constants are highly improbable. First, not all constants need to be so close to their present value; second, we don’t know how widely they might vary. And other constants might give rise to other kinds of life. Why life based on matter at all? Why not immaterial beings, like souls?

There are other explanations for fine-tuning: we got lucky. Or, there is more than one universe: the multiverse, an outcome of well-established theories. (And each universe has different physical constants.)

And some observations argue against God as cosmic fine-tuner: the sheer numbers of places in the universe where life cannot exist. (p163b) There may be gazillions of planets in the universe—but most would be uninhabitable. The number of particles. Also, life on earth will end when the sun expires in 5 billion years. [[ It’s easy to imagine conditions of a universe that would satisfy the minimal requirements of God creating a race to worship him – e.g., the biblical flat earth under a domed sky. Why the enormous universe that we actually have? ]]  And the rest of the universe itself is inhospitable to life, even most of the Earth. We don’t have a particularly comfortable home, p165t.

And, why did it take so long for humans to appear in a universe 10b years old? Theists make excuses that undermines the predictive power of theism. William Lane Craig just makes up stories (p166t). Scientists say “we don’t know”.

                The argument for God from Morality

Darwin first suggested that morality has an evolutionary basis. A century later EO Wilson suggested the same thing p167. Evolutionary psychology. This especially bothers the theists, which maintains that God is the source of the ‘moral instinct’. [[ wonder… what *other* kind of moral instinct might exist? If our morality is not inherent in our existence as a social species… what other kind of morality might just as well exist? ]]

Moral intuitions; Jonathan Haidt. Francis Collins thinks they’re unexplainable, even defying explanation by natural selection, e.g. self-sacrifice and altruism. Damon Linker too.

But there are plenty of explanations. The premises: there do seem to be human universals, cf Pinker, p169m. Some instincts are revealed only in hypothetical situations, e.g. the trolley problem. Of course there are moral variations among societies, and changes over time. P170m. Pinker. Morality may be innate, but it’s also malleable (refuting the argument it comes from God). Much of the innateness comes from learning.  “…our realization that there is no rational basis for giving ourselves moral privilege over those who belong to other groups”. P171t.

Other species exhibit moral behaviors, or sentiments—chimps have a sense of ‘fairness’ – that suggests our own behaviors did evolve. Even dogs and cats are averse to inequalities.

Other evidence comes from study of human infants, who are empathic only to familiar people, have little compassion and no altruism (which must be inculcated by parents and peers).

What about altruism? There are various definitions, but none defy explanation. For one thing, being altruistic has social benefits, enhancing one’s reputation, often with an expectation of reciprocity, especially in small groups. Another part is Peter Singer’s ‘expanding circle’ – are groups expand. p174. And we’ve understood kin selection since the 1960s.

What about true sacrifices, a soldier-on-the-grenade scenario? First, expanding circle. Second, animals will adopt litters of other animals, a hijacking of natural instincts [rather than selfless altruism]. Summary p176b. Morality is like language: we’re born with a propensity, but details depend on the culture in which we’re raised.

And if morals come from God, why do morals change? E.g. slavery, torture, disdains for women and strangers… p177t.

The argument for God from True Beliefs and Rationality

Alvin Plantinga’s argument is that our ability to hold beliefs that happen to be true can only be understood as a gift from god. This seems obviously wrong from a biologist’s pov. He argues for a ‘sense of divinity’ – though he equates this, obviously, with the Christian god and not any other god. The obvious problem with this is that we’re given to all sorts of *false* beliefs – see para p179b, and Trivers bk reference. Michael Shermer on why we believe untrue things, p180m. Plantinga explains this as having a broken ‘sense of divinity’ – because sin! (!!) – a remarkably untestable hypothesis.

Of course we can explain why some of our beliefs are rational and supported by evidence, and some are not. P181b. Humans are born with a capacity to *form* beliefs, including learning from parents and peers. Obviously accurate beliefs are necessary for some things—finding food, avoiding predators. But we’re easily fooled, as examples show. Pascal Boyer and our tendency to attribute events to conscious agents, p182m. Children in India and Indiana come to believe in very different things…

A related argument is that our brains are far more complex than anything needed in our evolutionary past. Even Alfred Russel Wallace was given to this argument for teleology. But the human brain is already complex to handle language and the social skills of living in groups. [[ the extension of this is, surely we can imagine complex skills of a brain that humans *don’t* possess… e.g. an intuitive understanding of higher mathematics. ]] And for that matter, some animals have the ability to solve problems outside their usual behavior; obviously these skills derived from skills that arose for other reasons.

                Is Science the Only “Way of Knowing”?

Critics complain that science has a monopoly on finding truth, and call this attitude ‘scientism’. Francis Collins example. Spirituality and religion; the humanities, art, music, exist despite science.

Author claims that to the extent these areas do yield knowledge, they do so in the same sense that science does: by doubt, reason, and empirical testing—‘science broadly construed’. Need to define truth and knowledge; key elements are verification and consensus. These methods work, p187m, even when applied by plumbers and electricians.

Thus history and archaeology are valid ‘ways of knowing’; even disciplines such as sociology and economics.

Math and philosophy? More problematic. Perhaps they are just tools. Sean Carroll suggests that a scientific claim must involve the possibility of a world in which it is false, and it must be testable. Math and philosophy rather involve the logical consequences of a set of premises, p188-189.

Is morality objective? Author thinks not; it’s more a matter of preferences. Which can be informed by science. Obviously some morality derived from evolution, and secular reason. But disagrees with Sam Harris (in THE MORAL LANDSCAPE).

What about subjective experience, art, movies, paintings? Author describes examples of his own favorites (Fitzgerald, Joyce), considers these as examples, i.e. imagination, not true knowledge. Have any truths been revealed for the first time by literature? Author has never gotten an example p192b-193. And of course works of art often convey different, even contradictory, ‘truths’, resembling the ‘truths’ of different faiths. And art works are dependent on the culture they exist within. And what about ‘make-believe worlds that are not tied to truth about the real world’ (in quoted para p192b) [[ — this is an excellent question; what do we ‘learn’ from works of sf/f?? perhaps a central question of my bk. We learn about other possibilities. We learn about the possible world *outside our own experience*. ]]

And there are subjective claims about ways of knowing: “I know my wife loves me”. But this is an assertion of faith, and it’s easy to imagine cases where such certainly might brand one a psycho nut-case, p194b.

And then there’s religion. Proponents of the ‘ways of knowing’ argument are ultimately concerned about this. Yet religion involves authority of ancient books, faith, subjective experience, and personal revelation – nothing like the principles of ‘science broadly construed’. Religious experiences only indicate that someone has had that experience.

The Scientism Canard

Does science overstep its bounds? Examples are all pejorative. But these purported dangers are nonexistent. There are four claims:

1, Science is the only reliable ‘way of knowing’; 2, scientism means the humanities should be subsumed by science; 3, that questions that can’t be answered by science aren’t worth considering; 4, that scientists are arrogant and reluctant to admit when they are wrong.

On the charges, author says the first is true, as he’s argued. On the second, some (EO Wilson) have argued for this; others (Baggini) disagree. Anyway such charges are trivial; surely many areas could be *informed* by the discipline of scientific insights, p199m. Third – no one author has met has said this. And fourth, other people can be arrogant too. Does science have nothing to say about the beauty of a sunset? Not so fast, p200m – perhaps one day we will understand *why* some things seem beautiful and others not, why some works of art move us and others do not. [[ the former point made by me – if everything is a manifestation of god, why isn’t a manure pile, as well as a lovely sunset, a sign of god? ]]

In the end, ‘scientism’ just means ‘science you don’t like’ (Dennett). One might as well define ‘religionism’ to mean “the tendency of religion to overstep its boundaries by making unwarranted statements about the universe, or by demanding unearned authority.” With no lack of examples, p201m.

Then we have half a dozen of the most common criticisms of science by believers.

Science can’t prove that God doesn’t exist

Yes of course you can’t disprove *anything* (or prove; evidence is always provisional). But you can observe that, if god is theistic, having certain traits and interacting with the world, and, if we take proof as “evidence so strong you would bet your life savings on it”, then yes we can dismiss the idea of god. “If a thing is claimed to exist, and its existence has consequences, then the absence of those consequences is evidence against the existence of the thing.” Parallel to Carl Sagan’ idea of a fire-breathing dragon in his garage, which happens to be invisible, etc etc, so that it cannot be detected. Then why believe it to be true? There are plenty of things you prove negatives. Leprechauns in your garden? Not absolutely, but the absence of any such evidence leads to the provisional conclusion that they don’t exist.

That is: If the claims of the omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient god are true, we should see evidence. Rather, we see no miracles or miracle cures in today’s world, no confirmed effects of prayer [studies have been done], no passages in ancient scripture that show knowledge about the real world other than what was available to people alive at the time, and the observation that science has disproved many of the truth claims of scripture. P204t.

Science is based on faith

This is a matter of semantics, on casual definitions of ‘faith’. Granted, even some scientists claim this (Paul Davies).

But this obscures the obvious fact the science *works*; it doesn’t need blind adherence to some dogma. And everyone uses the conclusions in everyday life – nice para p207t.

Scientists don’t use the word. Common uses such as “I have faith the sun will rise tomorrow” are based on *experience*. Scientists have ‘faith’ in the conclusions of other scientists based on evidence, or reputation. Whereas theologians study only other theologians… and not any kind of evidence p209.

Some say scientists have ‘faith’ in physical laws. Or in the value of reason in determining truth.

Again, faith isn’t involved. These presumptions work because the *evidence* shows them to work.

Religion Gave Rise to Science

Some claim science was the product of religion. Evidence is sketchy; even so, so what? In fact some parts of science arose in other areas of the world; and there was a 1000 year gap between the rise of Christianity and the rise of modern science. And we know that Christianity certainly impeded science, condemning heretics, Bruno and Galileo. Yes, many famous scientists of past centuries were religious, but everyone was in those days. The advance of modern science is the idea of naturalism, set firmly into place only the past century.

Science Does Bad Things

As bad as religion? Not much of a defense of faith. Weapons, nuclear and chemical, are generally cited. Anyway, the charge is against ‘science’, not individual scientists, who didn’t do these things. There are always bad people who use whatever is at hand to do bad things. Might as well blame basic tool-making, since knives and hammers have been used to kill people too. It is faith itself that corrupts people, leading to bad behavior. Religions relies on moral codes supposedly reflecting God’s will; the idea of eternal reward; and the notion of absolute truth, p219b. Famous Steven Weinberg quote: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion.”

Physicists do not kill each over about their competing theories.

Science is fallible and its results are unreliable

Haven’t scientific ‘truths’ been overturned? Isn’t science sometimes wrong? Well, yes – but the point is, science is self-correcting; that’s what’s right about it. There have even been frauds in science – Piltdown Man – that are exposed *by other scientists*. And most scientific conclusions these days are intact: it’s doubtful anything will overturn continental drift, evolution, the speed of light. And none of these criticisms make religion any more credible; religion has *never* been right in its claims about the universe. P224b.

 

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Kneejerk Accusations

While yesterday there was much invective on the right against the left because the victim of Charlie Kirk’s assassination was a well-known MAGA figure. So the left must have done it! That’s their thinking.

Vox, Eric Levitz, 11 Sep 2025: The right’s vicious, ironic response to Charlie Kirk’s death, subtitled “They’re calling him a martyr for free speech as they demand a violent crackdown on progressive dissent.”

And

Right Wing Watch, Kyle Mantyla, 11 Sep 2025: MAGA pastor Jackson Lahmeyer Blames Kirk’s Death on Right Wing Watch, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, and ‘Left-Wing Influencers’

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The Real Americans?

We live in a bizarre world in which many, perhaps most, Americans deify people who are against basic American values. (Because what really drives conservatives is not the Constitution, but the OT.)

So many news posts and Facebook posts about this today. Trump wants to give Charlie Kirk, a community college drop-out, a medal of freedom. Congress prayed for him. Trump lowered the American flag to half-mast. The right reflexively accuses the left of the assassination, without any evidence whatsoever.

(It’s been noticed that the single shot that killed Charlie Kirk must have come from a very skilled shooter. A single shot, to the neck, from 200 yards. It’s easy to speculate about any number of conspiracy theories about who was behind it, and why.)

I’ll begin with this one for its concise compilation of links.

LGBTQNation, Daniel Villarreal, 11 Sept 2025: No, I won’t be shedding any tears for Charlie Kirk, subtitled “He spent his life fomenting hatred against me, my friends, and neighbors. And now we’re supposed to fly flags at half-mast for him?”

Charlie Kirk believed that gay people should be stoned to death, that the 1964 Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake,” that we should legally be allowed to whip foreigners in the U.S., that Muslims only move here to destroy the country, that American Jews encourage anti-whiteness, that men should physically attack transgender people, that all women should submit to their husbands, and that Black professionals “steal” their jobs from more qualified white people.

This is the guy the American right admires. This is where we are.

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Jerry A. Coyne: FAITH VS. FACT, post 3

Subtitled “Why Science and Religion are Incompatible”
(Viking, May 2015, xxii + 311pp, including 46pp of acknowledgements, notes, references,and index)

(Earlier: post 1; post 2)


Summary: Chapter 3: Why Accommodationism Fails

This chapter explains why you can’t have your religion and your science too. Trying to do so leads to cognitive dissonance.

Reasons people would want to do this include the belief that religion is good for society; by taking deism to be true; by supposing that all searches for truth must be compatible; by watering religion down to be mere ‘spirituality’; that passages in scripture anticipate scientific findings. Stephen Jay Gould’s NOMA, non-overlapping magisterial, was a prominent attempt at accommodationism, but it failed along these grounds.

Science does not limit itself to ‘natural’ phenomena, and has studied things that could have produced evidence of the supernatural, and conspicuously has not. Scripture could have included revelations about information unknown to humans at the time they were written (e.g. about the planets, or DNA), and did not. Most religious people say nothing would convince them to abandon their faith. And often for practical, social reason — doing so would upend their life and isolate them from their family and community. (I point I’ve made several times.)

The problem with miracles is that they have no corroboration. As Hume proposed, all miracles are more likely fraud, error, or delusion. [[ Not a Coyne topic, but the way the Catholic Church identifies “saints,” as the one just recently, is the essence of blinkered and motivated thinking. ]]

Author considers three test cases where science might seem to undermine religious beliefs. Adam and Eve: Evolution and genetics show the story to be nonsense; many believers accept the story merely as metaphor. Some do not, e.g. the Catholic Church. Mormonism: It makes claims about tribes from the middle east coming to America 2600 years ago, and simply rejects DNA studies as meaningless. Theistic evolution, the idea that evolution was ‘guided’ by God: but science doesn’t need the premise; people resort to it to save themselves from the idea that morality arose through natural selection. [[ Which many other books have explained how it has. ]]

Nor can the religious depend on the idea that the evolution of humans was inevitable (as if built into creation by God). There are examples of evolutionary convergence (e.g. eyes) but other examples where it did not but might have. Evolution is contingent; re-run cosmic history and humans might well never have evolved.

Similarly, the history of life shows many dead ends [[ most species that ever lived are extinct ]]. Why would God direct that? Theological rationales amount to special pleading.

Theistic evolution is an unnecessary add-on driven not by evidence but by the emotional needs of the faithful.


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There *is* cognitive dissonance between people wanting to cling to their faiths — if only for social reasons — and the reckoning of what is real as determine by science and expressed in technology, and the world we live in. I could expand, but I think I’ve been expanding on this theme for years, on this blog. Coyne’s book isn’t telling intelligent people things they don’t already know.


Raw Notes: Ch3, Why Accommodationism Fails

Acc. (accommodationism) is a solution to the cognitive dissonance of those who accept science but cling to religious myths. Some of these author calls ‘faitheists’, who realize religion is false but see it as good for society (p98t). One motive for acc is to be nonthreatening in the fight against creationism.

Varieties: Logical, i.e. pure deism, that there could be god that never interferes with the universe; rare.

Mental: the idea that since many people seem to embrace both religion and science, they *must* be compatible. Examples are Francis Collins. But that such people hold two worldviews in their mind, a co*existence* that is not the same as compatibility.

Syncretism: an attempted unification, especially by stretching the idea of religion to be mere ‘spirituality’. Einstein’s famous quote (p101m) wasn’t about what most people think of as God; it was more a sort of pantheism. Similarly, Owen Gingerich p102m and his awe at the stars. That’s a very weak kind of religion, but people like Elaine Ecklund keep at it (via Templeton), doing surveys to demonstrate various levels of ‘spirituality’ among scientists, as if to equate that with religious belief.

Some argue since both religion and science aspire to be truth, they *must* be compatible; truth cannot contradict truth. Thus scientific creationism, which twists evidence of an ancient earth to match the biblical story, with absurd results. (Examples of their arguments p104). Author taught a course about it… [[ the problem here is that the claims of different religions contradiction each other, so they *can’t* all be true. ]]

Similarly Muslims insist the Quran is literally accurate, and cite certain passages as anticipating modern science…very vaguely. P105

The most prominent example of acc is Stephen Jay Gould’s NOMA – nonoverlapping magisteria: science studies the natural world, religion concerns issues of meaning. The idea had been floated before. But his argument fails: it dilutes religion (by defining it as something that does not make existence claims), and misrepresents the activities of scientists and philosophers.

                Science vs the Supernatural

Author makes key point that science is not, by definition, concerned with studying only ‘natural’ phenomena, i.e. ruling out the supernatural or paranormal. In fact science has studied things that might have produced evidence of the supernatural, like ESP or prayer – and the results were conspicuously lacking. List of 7 example studies that would demonstrate the supernatural, p114 [[ a very hand list that undermines all of such claims ]]. A prominent one concerns prayer, about which studies have been done. Theists make excuses – e.g. God won’t let himself be tested – in classic examples of confirmation bias; you can be sure they’d trumpet any results that matched their predetermined beliefs.

What evidence would demonstrate the supernatural? Perhaps a miracle cure that actually regrew an amputated limb.

Similarly in Sagan’s bk (p118t) he suggested that scripture *could* have provided evidence of god, had there been passages with information that was unknown to humans at the time, e.g. concerning light or the structure of DNA. The absence of such evidence is revealing.

Some nonbelievers think there is no evidence, even in principle, that could convince them (cf powerful aliens), but author presents a scenario that would persuade him, p119t (i.e. huge angels literally appearing in the sky… )

In contrast, what would convince religious people to abandon their faith? Most will say, *nothing*. –significant quote p120t about why: being religious has practical social utility…:

“As a purely practical matter, I have compelling reasons to believe in God. My parents are deeply committed Christians and would be devastated were I to reject my faith. My wife and children believe in God, and we attend church together regularly. Most of my friends are believers. … Abandoning belief in God would be disruptive, sending my life completely off the rails.” (Karl Giberson)

[[ this is exactly my point above ]]

                What about Miracles?

The problems are that most of them occurred in the past, and have no corroboration, while in principle ancient events can be corroborated by independent sources, e.g. Julius Caesar. In contrast, the Resurrection is sourced only by the gospels, written decades later. Whereas the book of Mormon purportedly has *eye-witness* testimony about the golden plates and the angel Moroni.

Hume proposed that all miracles were more likely fraud, error, or delusion. Parsimony: what is more likely? The Shroud of Turin and the weeping statue have both shown to be frauds. Alternative story for how gospels were written, p123, the disappointed followers revised their story, just as do disillusioned millennialists when the world doesn’t end.

The Jesus Seminar determined there was no credible evidence for the resurrection, and warned of “the temptation to find what they would like to find…”

                Three Test Cases

Some religious beliefs are negotiable – e.g. jettisoning literal belief in Jonah and the giant fish – while others are not. So what happens when science undermines those?

                Adam and Eve:

Christianity relies on the story of how sin came into the world, requiring Jesus to appear and be crucified to redress our sins. Many people take this literally, but science completely undermines it. First—evolution. Second—by analyzing genetic diversity, we can trace certain chromosomes back hundreds of thousands of years; and furthermore that there were no fewer than some 12,000 individuals some 60,000 years ago in Africa from which modern humans are descended.

Responses? Outrage. The Catholic Church holds firm. A few liberal theologians try to construe the story as, e.g. god chose two people out of a community to start, or that two suddenly became ‘aware’ of god, and so on. Or that it was metaphor.

                Mormonism…

A similar problem: Mormons believe native Americans are descended from four tribes who came to the new world from the middle east some 2600 years ago. Again, archaeology differs. The church simply rejects that DNA studies mean anything.

                Theistic evolution

That is, that evolution happened but was ‘guided’ by God in one way or another. Science is naturalistic and does not require any such premise. But it bothers people because, among other things, “evolution means that human morality, rather than being imbued in us by God, somehow arose via natural processes: biological evolution involving natural selection on behavior, and cultural evolution involving our ability to calculate, foresee, and prefer the results of different behaviors.” –p134.2

Some accept evolution – except for human beings. Some suggest God intervened at certain points; others believe that evolution was set up specifically to produce human beings. The C church believes god intervened to insert a soul. These ideas verge on creationism.

All of these ideas are superfluous to science, and scientists have rejected them. (Even complexity isn’t always favored by natural selection; examples of worms and skunks.)

                Was the Evolution of Humans Inevitable?

If science can show that the evolution of humans was inevitable, this would make easier for the theists. But: there’s no such thing as ‘empty niche’. Nor can we predict what new creatures will evolve. We do have evidence of ‘evolutionary convergence’ though. Examples: eyes; white fur. Simon Conway Morris; Kenneth Miller extend this idea to the inevitability of human beings.

Author thinks not. Many examples where convergence did *not* occur. Why did human evolve only in Africa? Gould’s book Wonderful Life is best proponent of the nonevitability of evolution. [[ That book concerned a separate lineage, quite different from amphibians and mammals, that evolved for a while then died out. ]] Evolution is contingent; depends on unpredictable of climate change, meteor strikes, etc. Yet in principle were not those things predetermined by physical conditions? Except for the unpredictability of quantum mechanics. So if we were to repeat the Big Bang… it’s unlikely even Earth would exist again, let alone life on it. And mutations are also subject to quantum indeterminacy. So humans were not inevitable…

And so theistic evolution can be ignored, p147.4

                Theological Problems with Theistic Evolution

Other problems: why would God direct evolution into so many dead ends? Again, theologians come up with answers, e.g. evolution gets God off the hook for ‘natural evil’ because he didn’t design them that way. Francisco Ayala. But this is special pleading. Alvin Plantinga even suggests Satan meddled in evolution. Animals suffering for the sin of a primate?

Theistic evolution is an unnecessary add-on driven not by evidence but by the emotional needs of the faithful. The topic makes the error of confusing logical possibilities with probabilities.

 

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Charlie Kirk, and the Simplex Republican Mindset

  • The assassination of Charlie Kirk, and reflecting on past political assassinations;
  • Despite RFK Jr., there is no single cause to autism;
  • Braeden Sorbo as another right-wing Republican, like Charlie Kirk, who thinks women shouldn’t have the right to vote;
  • Paul Krugman: Being a cultist means never admitting that you were wrong;
  • A Fox News Host just wants to kill mentally ill criminals.
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Today is the day that 31-year-old right-wing activist Charlie Kirk was assassinated in Utah.

I’ve had occasion to mention Kirk a number of times on my blog as an example of the far right mindset that rejects civil rights, says gay people should be put to death, and tells Taylor Swift to submit to her husband and have lots of a children. A very tribal, even Neanderthal (except that might be an insult to Neanderthals) mindset.

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